Bloggers Provide Rapid Response for Obama

I've had a chance to reflect on the diary I wrote yesterday. I think some of the comments were valid and I appreciate the responses. I just want to clarify, too, that I was not specifically singling out Jerome, Matt, Chris or anybody else. It really was just meant as a call for all of us in the movement to work together to combat damaging narratives that could spell disaster for the general election if we don't all pull together.

But, since Jerome basically confirmed what I suspected -- that, at least as far as he's concerned, Obama doesn't really deserve to have any kind of institutional support from MyDD (and other leading blog communities) to combat really, really bad reporting, I thought I'd follow people's advice to do my part and pass along this very good article from the Las Vegas Sun that I got off the E-Wire (which until this morning didn't feature Obama, but, Jerome says it was due to a typo in the script).

The article lays out much of what I was getting at in my diary, but says it in a way that may make more sense to folks who were confused about what I said yesterday.

Finally, one commenter suspected that I was a sock puppet of someone else. I'm not. My name is Neil Jensen. Among other things, I did some on-site volunteer work with the Dean Web Team in '03 and '04, am a front-page writer on the BlogPac-funded Green Mountain Daily, and am currently the lead volunteer organizer for Obama in Vermont.

Further Disclosure: I think I once saw Jerome in a grocery store in Burlington. Might have been the Price Chopper on Shelburne Road.

Good excerpt below the fold, but read the whole thing...

Candidate goes from Democratic hero to lightweight in mainstream coverage, but online activists punch back

By J. Patrick Coolican and Michael J. Mishak

Barack Obama, a month ago: Democratic Party savior. Cool, smart, black, great personal story.

Barack Obama, this week: All flash, no substance. Fast and loose with facts, Hillary will pummel him.

After a Las Vegas health care forum last week, Obama was deemed a disappointment by a national magazine writer, and the theme multiplied: Los Angeles Times, The Politico, the Associated Press, CNN.

Time magazine's Joe Klein made it official this week: "Even over here in the Middle East, you can feel the zeitgeist gently shifting - Obama ebbing, for the moment, at least in media- land."

The chattering herd loves a narrative, and this year, just as in past presidential years, the media are moving like a pack, hunting for their beloved conventional wisdom.

The names are unfamiliar to most Americans - Klein, Mike Allen, Karen Tumulty - but these Washington media stars shape the country's perceptions of presidential candidacies, their thoughts finding their way on to TV talk shows and the rest of the media universe.

Something's a little different this time around, though. The vast profusion of new media, especially on the Internet, means less power for the journalists. Liberal online activists, having seen Al Gore and Howard Dean crushed under the weight of conventional wisdom - Gore is a phony, Dean is nuts - are pushing back.

"For the past eight years, the right has been better at working the refs," said Eric Alterman, a liberal media critic and senior fellow at the Center for American Progress. "Now the left is learning how to play the game."



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Re: Bloggers Provide Rapid Response for Obama (none / 0)

Do you have a paid position in the Obama campaign or are you a vounteer?


by littafi on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 04:59:55 PM EST

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Volunteer.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 08:40:33 PM EST
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Did you really read the comments? (none / 0)

Because this diary seems to have indicated no progression in your thought process from the original diary.

I already laid out a bunch of factors, one of trhe combination of which , will prompt someone to fight for a candidate beyond the obvious rebuttals any reasonable progressive would do on behalf of a fellow progressive. Unless you are a super strong candidate like Gore or Clark by MYDD or DKOS's standards, you are going to have to engage this community to fight for our attention to do a detailed rebuttal of every single mistake. Right now, we are stil; in the primary process. So our attention is split among many democrats. If you stand by us in tough times, then of course we will feel obligated to go to bat for them beyond the call of duty. It is not spite. It is limitation of our energy and time.

As you pointed out, media matters has already done a good job with this. So unless MYDD feels personally invested, why should you expect their admins to put front page articles attacking every single misnomer on Obama? It's not like MYDD hasn't gone to bat for Obama in the past on the front page because they have.

And Jerome is only one admin type who said something close to what you say. NOt enough of a sample to make your case. And even Jerome seemed to imply that Obama will get more attention during General Election time maybe because our attentions wont be divided. I will have to go back, but I think either Jerome or Jonathan Singer actually went to bat for Obama early on in this process when Stoller was being a little negative on Obama. So dont generalize.

Obama is being treated fine by all blogs.  To expect Obama to get the Lamont treatment on MYDD and DKOS is ridiculous because that involved personal investment in those candidates and the respect was paid back by the candidate making the community feel more invested on a personal basis and not just political. Obama is gettng his political due by the netroots bigwigs. And MEdiaMAtters is there to point out all media discrepancies of candidates not championed by enough big bloggers.

Why aren't you sending a complaint to Obama for his campaign thinking one has to shower attention on all segments but the netroots. Netroots dont need to have their asses kissed. But we at least should get the feeling that he has some kind of accountability to our segment too, and not just everyone else. When he felt the need to stump for Lieberman, it was obviously a political decision which we are able to forgive him for, reluctantly. But what would he have lost by sending more letters of support of Lamont? He had to be pressured into sending a measly few emails.
When the netroots stood by obama when he froze out FOXNEWS, when the NEvada debate controversy went on and he was quiet, and we were pissed off at his no comment, the least he could have done was have a liaison explain to DKOS or MYDD or any other liberal blog what the thinking was behind such a No Comment. This way, we would have more respect even if were to choose to do the debate.These are two examples where he could be doing a lot better in reaching out to netroots. And there are more.


by Pravin on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 08:40:32 PM EST

Re: Did you really read the comments? (3.00 / 1)

I don't think that you understand what I'm getting at and your response seems filled with assumptions and tangential assertions of my attitudes and positions which frankly I don't have the energy or desire to refute.

Not saying it to be snarky. Just being honest. The tendency to parse and extrapolate in online debate vs. in-person interaction is one of the negatives of online communication. I've tried to explain what I'm saying and unless we were having beers sometime, I doubt I could be able to express myself in a way that could lead to a constructive conversation.

Certainly may simply be my own failings as a communicator.

But thanks for the comment.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 08:52:25 PM EST
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I liked your post yesterday and really thank you for the link to the news story.  Too bad the msm won't see it and realize we won't let them chose who we vote for or who our nominee is.  
I saw this pack mentality this week.  
But, living in Illinois, if Obama is such a lighweight why do we still love and respect him just like summer and fall of 04.  maybe more as we know he has alot of depth and substance.
His campaign has a game plan and right now it's just introducing himself.  Then, slowly roll out the policy.  This was in a Chicago paper last week in an article on his top staff people.
by vwcat on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 09:24:29 PM EST

Thank you... n/t (none / 0)


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 11:03:56 PM EST
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Re: Thank you... n/t (none / 0)

Hey Vermonter, I have concluded that some of the hard feelings have more to do with ActBlue than anything else.  Obama's campaign is taking the best and most innovatiove of what the web has to offer and is leaving the rest. This seems to include copying strategy but not adopting exisiting tools. Not sure if they will continue that forever but it has left some people feeling rejected? (my opinion only and not fact)


by aiko on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 11:19:25 PM EST
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Re: Thank you... n/t (none / 0)

Dont think it has much to do with ActBlue at all... whatever "it" is, still don't know really but Pravin made some good points.

Semi-related, How Obama reacts to the CBC/Fox debate will be interesting.


by okamichan13 on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 12:20:20 AM EST
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No offense intended ... but why don't you hold Obama, your candidate, responsible for taking the podium at the Las Vegas Healthcare Forum and giving such a vague and meatless presentation?  The man is running for President of the United States and that Healthcare Forum was damned important to those in attendance.  You are asking people to defend Obama against, what happens to be, honest criticism.  He needs to get his act together because he carelessly handed his opponents a weapon to use against him.  

He spoke about healthcare reform as though it were some trivial issue that he just didn't have time to bone up on.

Great Presidential material!!


by marasaud on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:05:51 PM EST

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A president wont have time to detail a plan for our healthcare reform. A good leader will hav a vision and delegate the details to the detail people. Obama can always look to Hillary for feedback when he becomes President. Heh heh.

Hillary is good at details. If she really loves the country, I am sure she won't need to be President to offer her experience on health care to the future President.


by Pravin on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 11:51:38 PM EST
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Bleh - dont think Hillary is so good at details (none / 0)

even though massaud seems impressed. Seems like she just talked a more convincing talk and some people confused that with details.

"Health care by the end of my second term" - yeah thanks. and same with the war probably, great, thats reassuring.


by okamichan13 on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 12:24:19 AM EST
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Re: dont think Hillary is so good at detai (none / 0)

i was trying to be generous to Hillar. Heh


by Pravin on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 02:49:52 PM EST
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Re: Bloggers Provide Rapid Response for Obama (3.00 / 1)

May you should check out the health care he did here in Illinois.  It is universal coverage for those under 18 without insurance.
Until you check out things about a candidate you should not go around trashing them, marasaud.
by vwcat on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 10:42:40 PM EST

I just... (none / 0)

... took a break from late-night obsessive blogging to watch the really excellent NPI and PoliticsTV diary/video that is currently in the Rec section.

If you needed any proof of how important the media is to the success of the greater progressive movement, this video lays it all out.

And I also got this really nice email from a lurker thanking me for my previous diary saying...

"...it would be beneficial if the community debunked slurs before these insidious memes become defining.  Just this evening I caught the end of a Hardball segment where Craig Crawford was pontificating that Obama '...needs to put some meat on the bones'.  It's as if all the beltway pundits attended a cocktail party and decided the upcoming week's narrative.  Demonstrates how insular they are.  Sorrowfully, the evidence shows they will create negative themes for all our candidates."

Oh yeah, and I also broke away to watch David Axelrod's great interview on Charlie Rose. Though Dean and Trippi were really great at sounding the same themes, their personal relationship (partly a result of the intermediaries that came between them, I think) was clearly not as close as Obama/Axelrod. And it comes through in this interview -- with Axelrod perfectly describing Obama's appeal and why he's signed on so enthusiastically.


What's the Point?
by Vermonter on Sat Mar 31, 2007 at 12:36:23 AM EST


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