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Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama?

by Vermonter, Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 01:03:55 PM EST

This has been a sad week for political reporting on Barack Obama. But, it has also been inspiring to see the impressive work being done by Glenn Greenwald, Greg Sargent, Media Matters, Will Bunch, Obamarama, Steve Benen and many others who've gone to bat for Obama to push back on the inanity.

Regardless of who these folks support for president, at least they recognize that these kinds of Gore 2000-like smears and innuendo are deeply injurious to the goals of all Democrats and progressives.

But, here's the thing... After the mini Edwards BloggerGate from earlier this year, the folks at MyDD used their considerable clout and energy to push back against the Noise Machine, mobilizing people through MyDD, Daily Kos, and BlogPac, etc. (And yes I know that that issue affected "bloggers" so it was perhaps a more personal attack).

But, for Obama this week? Near complete silence. We all know that yesterday it was Edwards, today it's Obama, tomorrow will Clinton, etc. And since all of us, regardless of who we support for '08 have helped build this movement (and I'm certainly not suggesting I've put anywhere near the energy into it as Bowers and Stoller et al) it doesn't sit well that this power has been used for one candidate and not all.

I'm not suggesting a Townhall conspiracy here, but I just wanted to get that off my chest. I'd be very interested in hearing a different point of view.

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Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (3.00 / 1)

That's an interesting list, as it doesn't really include any of the big community blogs. You could probably ask the reverse question of 'why doesn't the Obama campaign engage the existing progressive movement on the blogs' and that'd be an interesting answer.

Look, you're a Obama supporter, that's fine. But why should the blogs carry water for Obama if he doesn't even recognize it as something that's worthy for him to be allied alongside and actively engage?

Bob Johnson had a great quote that I wish I would have transcribed from the first MyDD BTR show on this topic about Obama. The gist is that there's a pretty large contingent of progressives on the blogs that realize Obama wants to build his own movement, instead of engaging the existing one, so live and let live. If he succeeds and gets the nomination, good for him, he'll get all the partisan support then for sure. But he shouldn't expect something for nothing in the meantime. Those days of the blogosphere being an ATM or a rapid response defense, without the candidates aligned with the movement, are over. I'll have to go back and get the quote, it was right on.

by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 01:26:36 PM EST

Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (none / 0)

Thanks very much for providing a thoughtful response, Jerome.

I'll reiterate why you should carry water for Obama.

Because if you don't mobilize for Obama, you make it easier for these techniques to be used against Edwards (or whomever) the next time around.

And about the big community blogs, it's been quite clear that Obama is very strong in these communities, regardless if the leaders of those are on board or not.

And if you use Bower's definition of the netroots to mean any political activity on the 'net (~the only one that makes any sense~), it's clear that Obama is winning that primary in almost any metric you can count.

And you know what? The campaign is reaching out to the netroots movement, too. In fact, I'm in direct contact with them. Do I and C/D/E/F list bloggers like me not count as part of the movement?

So, just because Obama's campaign is not aggressively courting the netroots gatekeepers doesn't mean he's not courting the netroots.

What's the Point?

by Vermonter on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 01:38:19 PM EST
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Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (3.00 / 1)

I'm glad you're in contact with them, great, carry on...

by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 01:55:32 PM EST
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Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (none / 0)

The circumstances between the two types of attacks are different.

When O'Donohue started sending his god-zombies to attack Edward's choice of online staff, the bloggers were coming to the defense of other bloggers, not the candidate himself.

Since you don't list them, I'll assume the attacks you refer to are the "inexperience" smears that certain operatives have been trying to hang on Obama. They're nasty and unethical, true. But it's not quite the same as a reprehensible bigot like O'Donohue trying to smear feminist bloggers, and sending his minions to harass and threaten them.

So, I guess my answer is that people were angered and eager to defend the bloggers, not Edwards. In fact a lot of bloggers and commenters I read at the time saw the attacks as more of a test for Edwards than something that inspired them to assist him.

by justathought on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 02:16:40 PM EST
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A test that Edwards passed... (none / 0)

...I might add.

Yes, they ended up resigning for their own reasons, but Edwards publicly stood by them.

John Edwards 2008

by MeanBoneII on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 04:05:04 PM EST
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Sort of... n/t (none / 0)

What's the Point?

by Vermonter on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 04:07:51 PM EST
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Don't be naive ... (2.00 / 0)

You seem very nice but also very innocent. Don't you get it? Edwards was between a rock and a hard place with the blogger mess. How to get out if it? Simple. Edwards says, "I'll publicly support you and blather on about censorship, etc. thus saving you face -- and me -- and then after the dust clears... YOU RESIGN." Now do you get it?

by MaryGallan on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 04:30:41 PM EST
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I thought... (none / 0)

... my "sort of" pretty much summed it up...

But, thanks for the back-handed compliment.

What's the Point?

by Vermonter on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 04:35:54 PM EST
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Re: I thought... (3.00 / 1)

I think she was talking to Mean Bone.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!

by yitbos96bb on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 05:05:09 PM EST
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I Think You Are Wrong (3.00 / 1)

Mary, your assertion about what happened is no doubt a product of considerable cynicism about politics, and assuredly, after 6 years of a lying president, you do have ample reason to be cynical about politics and politicians. But, in this case, I think you are wrong. In particular, you are wrong to speculate about Edwards with your cynical hat on. Here's why.

First, these two bloggers did not have a particularly strong relationship to Edwards to begin with. They were not his friends. In fact, as best I recall, they met with Edwards for the first time in the middle of this controversy. Under such circumstances, it would be foolish beyond all belief for Edwards to, upon meeting them for the first time, suggest a scheme like you are suggesting. What would prevent them from publicly disclosing that scheme? In fact, because both were bloggers who constantly expose the truth in the blogosphere, they would have a tremendous incentive TO DISCLOSE such a scheme.

Moreover, both bloggers were asked about the controversy after they decided to resign. Both filed very detailed reports about what happened. Both made it very clear to the world that Edwards did NOT ask them to resign, or, as you say, resign after the dust clears.

Your speculation, therefore, makes no sense when you consider the actual circumstances of this particular situation, and your speculation is contradicted by the two bloggers themselves. In particular, your speculation requires you to assert that both bloggers are lying to all of us today. Do you have such a low opinion of these two bloggers? Why?

To be clear Mary, I do not begrudge your sense of cynicism about politics and politicians. I am with you: we must look at things soberly and critically. But in this particular case, the cynical speculation is wrong. What happened IS what happened. Every so often, people are truthful. :)

by Demo37 on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 08:00:31 PM EST
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Garbage (none / 0)

You're just making stuff up. That is completely not what happened according to all those involved both publicly and from insiders privately.

Michigan For Edwards and Labor-Netroots for Edwards

by philgoblue on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 10:56:55 PM EST
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Re: Garbage (3.00 / 1)

Or, I can just play along to.

Don't be naive, you know Obama told that guy that worked for him to make the 1984 YouTube of Hillary. Then Obama orchestrated his firing, but is secretly paying Phil D under the table.

Viva Completely Made Up Rumors!!!

Michigan For Edwards and Labor-Netroots for Edwards

by philgoblue on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 10:58:17 PM EST
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Jerome, so you're only (3.00 / 0)

interesting in standing up for Dems who take you engage with you? Strikes me as vain in the extreme. What about the Party? What about the truth?

Now, personally, I think the AP story on Obama, hyperbolic though it was, touched on something real--the lack of substance in Obama's campaign thusfar and his heavy reliance on cliches--but Jerome, your kiss-my-ring mentality turns my stomach.

by david mizner on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 02:31:47 PM EST
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Re: Jerome, so you're only (none / 0)

Well, Jerome was a Mark Warner guy, and its possible that Warner only bowed out after it looked like Obama would jump in and be the alternative to Hillary. Possibly some resentment?

by mihan on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 05:06:59 PM EST
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Re: Jerome, so you're only (none / 0)

I think that chronology is a little backwards.

by LPMandrake on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 06:51:32 PM EST
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Re: Jerome, so you're only (none / 0)

its possible to learn of these things behind the scenes. Just because Obama came into the race after Warner dropped out doesn't mean that there weren't discussions about it behind closed doors.

by mihan on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 04:40:42 PM EST
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Re: Jerome, so you're only (none / 0)

interesting in standing up for Dems who take you engage with you?

No, with the 10Million progressives in the online movement on the blogs.

by Jerome Armstrong on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 12:05:13 PM EST
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Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (none / 0)

I have personally never seen a more criticism-free and gushing media buildup for any Democratic candidate in my lifetime (I am 45 years old.) There had to be, at some point, SOME media accounts that were not 100% complemimentary to Obama. That it has created this handwringing amongst some Obama supporters is testament to the sheer fluffyness of Obama reporting as it has been up to now.

Now, to state "it is Obama now, it could be Clinton tomorrow" is comical. I can probably point you to about 200 different media accounts with attacks worse than Obama suffered this last week. It is expected with her, makes her stronger as a result (IMO.) She leads despite a massive media campaign to discount and disparage her, not a small feat.

Obama needs to go through some adversity now, otherwise he will be caught like a deer in the headlights when the real tough coverage starts in the fall.

by georgep on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 01:49:50 PM EST

Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (none / 0)

complememintery-complimentary :-)

by georgep on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 01:57:58 PM EST
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Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (3.00 / 1)

The point is to push back on this extremely slack kind of reporting regardless of the victim. Whether it's Edwards home sale, or Obama's schooling, or Clinton's sex life, it affects all of us.

And if you allow it to go on now, are you going to be there if Obama wins the primary and these absurd, but extremely effective tactics are used against him then? After they've had a year to build up without any pushback?

I don't deny that much of Obama coverage has been glowing, but that doesn't excuse the b.s. stuff.

I read a comment on Media Matters in reference to Obama that was very similar to yours. But, Media Matters apparently feels it's important for the same reason I do.

Again, I believe it must be pushed back regardless of who's getting shafted.

What's the Point?

by Vermonter on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 02:17:12 PM EST
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Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (none / 0)

Look, there are literally THOUSANDS of media spots available to you nowadays, in print, on the tube, on the internet, radio and other media vehicles. We have never had as varied a spectrum of media choices at our disposal. There are also published tens of thousands varying opinions on the weather, the stock market, and, yes, the candidates from both parties. I find it incredible that there is a suggestion to push back vehemently whenever someone is not gushed over in the media. So, some wrote that Obama did not do too well with some of the rank-and-file Democrats, speaking to them directly. He appeared ill-prepared and short on substance. Big deal. Perhaps Obama can learn from that for future appearances (and important debates.) By pushing back against some criticism for your candidate you not only keep the issue discussed alive for another cycle, you also give the appearance that the candidate suffers from a glass chin.

If you think this last week was "bad," you will be astounded what will await your candidate in the fall. You'll be "pushing back" daily, non-stop. I would let it go. Take the good coverage with the bad. Obama has certainly received an incredible amount of "good" coverage, well beyond what one would reasonably expect from the media.

by georgep on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 02:36:09 PM EST
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Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (none / 0)

I hate to say it, but he is right to a point... All the candidates will be getting hammered in the fall of 2007 and then the General will be really bad. The bullshit stuff about his Schooling or he is a muslim, etc needs to be battled, but you should expect negative stories.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!

by yitbos96bb on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 02:50:45 PM EST
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Negative, sure... (none / 0)

But not completely stupid "Gore invented the internet" types of stories...

Read this piece by Richard Cohen for a flavor of the stupid that will likely only increase:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2007/03/26/AR2007032601583. html

What's the Point?

by Vermonter on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 03:04:24 PM EST
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Re: Negative, sure... (none / 0)

Well that's my point below... This diary would have been MUCH stronger if you listed which stories you thought were BS... I'm a huge Obama supporter, but I'm not 100% sure which ones you are tlaking about.

BTW, I am pretty sure the You Tube video was a Hillary Supporter... I saw another Pro-Hillary, Anti-Obama one in that SAME HALF ASSED elementary school style...I could be wrong, and it might be a Wingnut looking to have one blame the other, but I doubt it. Of course I know the campaign wouldn't do this (and I say that genuinely), but I wouldn't worry about it too much. Think Different was powerful because it was good. I've seen 8 year olds put together better videos than that one.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!

by yitbos96bb on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 05:09:32 PM EST
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Re: Negative, sure... (none / 0)

AND Cohen borrowed a LOT from a Chicago Tribune story that came out this week... Looks like he took credit for their research.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!

by yitbos96bb on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 05:10:40 PM EST
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Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (none / 0)

For instance here's a piece that Media Matters just produced that documents how the stupid "Rookie Mistakes" article is becoming conventional wisdom with CNN's Bill Schneider jumping right in...

With the Sun-Times Lynn Sweet more than willing to help out...

http://mediamatters.org/items/2007032900 04

These things matter. And not just for Obama.

What's the Point?

by Vermonter on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 02:52:05 PM EST
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Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (3.00 / 2)

He isn't referring to the inexperience stuff, its the people stating that Obama is an islamic extremist or that he went to terrorist school as a kid that Vermonter is talking about... THAT IS a swiftboat style attack and the Obama campaign has had rapid response to that... His point is we shouldn't let ANYONE get swiftboated again, Not Obama, Not Edwards, Not Clinton, Not Gore, Etc. Its bad for the party regardless of who the nom is... look at the down ticket races in 2004.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!

by yitbos96bb on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 02:46:22 PM EST
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Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (none / 0)

Actually I'm referring to that as well as the insipid War Against Gore style of reporting that has surfaced rather dramatically of late.

Here's a stupid piece by Lynn Sweet:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/03/ sweet_column_item_obamas_gaffe.html

What's the Point?

by Vermonter on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 03:07:30 PM EST
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Well... (none / 0)

Sounds like you think the whole mission of Media Matters is pointless.

Or that the work of Bob Somerby, Jamison Foser, Eric Boehlert is pointless, as well.

I completely disagree.

Just ask Al Gore how unimportant these stupid stories are...

And, if you're interested in what I'm referring to, just click on the links of the people I highlighted above and do a search for Obama. You'll find plenty of commentary of awful reporting on Obama this week. I'm not just referring to that one single Pickler article.

Since I'm assuming this is a fairly sophisticated audience at MyDD, I figured everyone would know what I'm referring to.

What's the Point?

by Vermonter on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 02:46:10 PM EST

Sorry... (none / 0)

...this was meant to be in response to georgep's comment above...

What's the Point?

by Vermonter on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 02:46:58 PM EST
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Re: Well... (none / 0)

You would have made your point better had you listed what you were talking about... It took ME a while to figure out some of the things and I support the man... I first thought you were refering to the SEIU forum, which is party internal and a blog has no need to defend anyone on.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!

by yitbos96bb on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 02:47:44 PM EST
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Re: Well... (none / 0)

And to that point as more posts come in, I would say I am still not sure I GOT it right... SO please take this constructively and add some specifics to the post ASAP.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!

by yitbos96bb on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 02:52:00 PM EST
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Read some of this... (none / 0)

The lack of knowledge of the last few days is clearly part of the phenomena I'm describing. Clearly there hasn't been discussion of this around these parts...

http://mediamatters.org/items/2007032800 06

http://mediamatters.org/items/2007032700 06

http://mediamatters.org/items/2007032700 04

http://mediamatters.org/items/2007032000 11

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesm outh/2007/03/republican_nati.php

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesm outh/2007/03/associated_pres_2.php

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2007/03/26/AR2007032601583. html

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2 007/03/27/politico/index.html

What's the Point?

by Vermonter on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 03:01:20 PM EST

Re: Read some of this... (3.00 / 1)

It seems like the discussion is being avoided intentionally. So now you know.

by aiko on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 03:16:23 PM EST
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Re: Read some of this... (none / 0)

I would say though that if a lot of people are unfamiliar with the stories, they are not working their way through to the public...

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!

by yitbos96bb on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 05:14:36 PM EST
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Read Sam Graham-Felsen's new post... (none / 0)

He's a former writer for the Nation and is now the lead blogger at BarackObama.com. He gives a good rundown of what I'm talking about here... http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/3/29/1339 50/425

What's the Point?

by Vermonter on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 03:11:40 PM EST

I dont see Obama people in reaching out here (3.00 / 1)

We got plenty of Obama supporters who are free to express themselves in the form of diaries and they have gotten a positive reception overall. But more than that, for us to take extra time to do research to combat claims, the Obama inner circle needs to reach out to the blogs you are complaining about. It is only natural to give higher priority to not just likeminded people, but likeminded people who are inclusive of your community.

by Pravin on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 03:47:09 PM EST

I think you have a great point (none / 0)

and come to think of it, I havent seen very many Obama supporters making posts (not comments on other posts, but actually starting posts) defending Obama here or on dkos. Obama supporters need to stand up more and make their voice heard.

When Edwards gets attacked or a bad article comes out, I usually see it on here or dkos being attacked within a day.

Make yourself heard.

by okamichan13 on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 04:02:11 PM EST
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I think this diary... (none / 0)

...proves why that might be the case...

What's the Point?

by Vermonter on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 04:13:19 PM EST
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I'm not complaining about "blogs"... (none / 0)

I'm complaining about this blog and the seeming editorial slant (and the slant of many commenters) that is willing to use it's institutional might for one candidate over another -- when the mobilization of all our collective energy benefits all Democratic candidates on this issue.

I can write a diary where I point out the absurdity of some mainstream story that baseless and attacks Obama -- and Jerome made it very clear above that he thinks Obama can twist in the wind for all he cares.

There was very little comment here even about the madrassa hoax.

All of us who have participated in this movement helped to build these institutions. And to deny one candidate access to this power is ultimately detrimental to our collective chances for success in the '08 election.

And it's even worse if it gets so bad that people are willing to prototype RNC talking points.

First they came for Obama. And I did nothing. Then they came for Clinton. And I did nothing. And then they came for Edwards. But it was too late.

/melodrama...

What's the Point?

by Vermonter on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 04:26:02 PM EST
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Re: I'm not complaining about "blogs"... (3.00 / 1)

We supported Obama when he froze out FOX news over the madrassah thing. I remember unanimous support for that. Maybe you should follow mydd closely.

We have only limited amount of energy and will spend it to go to bat for people who will go to bat for us. The others whose ideas gel with ours, we will support(and we have done so as group with Obama), but will not take the trouble to fight for them beyond the normal effort unless it is a really controversial topic. And like I said, there are those in here who feel that Obama speaks to them strongly, and they have gone to bat for Obama. I saw the interview MYDD did with Obama. Believe me, it was a very polite interview. It could have nailed him on some things he has done over his reluctance to send a measly email to Lamont which was a pet cause for MYDD. So why should MYDD admins in general feel obligated to go beyond regular effort to go to bat for him. Either they have to feel VERY STRONGLY for him or they feel OK with him , but feel like they have to make up for lack of mesia attention elsewhere. Mediamatters is doing a fine job. So the admins here probably dont feel the need to compensate. You are free to post on MYDD a diary.

YOu did see how much support Obama got when Geffen attacked Hilary. Even those who didnt like the geffen attack on Hillary(personally I liked it) defended Obama.

Personally, I will vote for either Obama or Edwards assuming the current field stays the same. The more I see of Richardson, the more he reminds of someone who will make a better secretary of state than a President.

by Pravin on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 10:03:18 PM EST
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Its not Jerome's responsibilty (none / 0)

or anyone's really, to fight for what someone else believes in. Or to defend any candidate, regardless of who it is. He is one person, with his own views and thoughts on issues, no more no less.

If you think there should be more pushback, then you should get busy doing it. Thats what it comes down to. Don't rely on someone else to fight your fight.

George is right (weird saying that) that this is probably only the beginning of attacks, for everyone really. Obama has a young campaign and how he and his supporters respond and learn will tell a lot. Its been a honeymoon for a while, but the media is fickle, better thicken that skin and keep on point.

by okamichan13 on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 03:54:05 PM EST

Frankly Jermone... (3.00 / 1)

...is not really who I was talking about... I'm talking about all of us who care about the stupidity of the Freak Show Drudgification of the news media. It's not about having a thin or thick skin. Did Gore have a thin skin when the media developed a conventional wisdom that he was a serial liar? No. Was it John Kerry's thin skin that caused the media to give credence to the Swift Boat group? No. My point, again, is that it needs to be fought against regardless of the target. And since this is now the 4th or 5th time I've made this point, I can only assume that commenters here either don't agree with the necessity of organizations like Media Matters, books like Lapdogs, etc or are being intentionally obstinate for some other reason.

What's the Point?

by Vermonter on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 04:06:02 PM EST
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Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (3.00 / 1)

I don't see any evidence that MyDD doesn't discuss or defend Obama except your assertions to that effect. I just put up a post on James Carville's conflicts of interest slamming Obama, and yesterday I discussed the 'experience' meme as coming from establishment insiders who want antiwar candidates axed.

Please provide evidence for your claim instead of just whining that we aren't doing something that we are in fact doing but that you wished we did more of.

Also, I'll note that MyDD doesn't really focus on media issues as much as some of the other blogs you cited, we only look at media in the context of the progressive movement as a whole. That's just what wedo.

by Matt Stoller on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 04:53:50 PM EST

Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (none / 0)

How come there is no Obama ever on the MYDD E-WIRE 2008? It has got to be just a fluke right? I have never seen his name on there and I am pretty sure that he gets some online press....

by aiko on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 05:06:57 PM EST
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Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (none / 0)

LOL, it was spelled as "Barak Obama", thanks for pointing it out. Fixed now.

by Jerome Armstrong on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 12:09:38 PM EST
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Stoller, can (none / 0)

you address Jerome's point, that bloggers should feel compelled to defend and support only those pols who actively engage the sphere?

by david mizner on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 05:38:48 PM EST
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Re: Stoller, can (none / 0)

I dont think he meant you never support someone who doesnt engage netroots. But he will go down the priority list.

by Pravin on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 10:05:00 PM EST
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Thanks Matt... (none / 0)

And I appreciate the Carville piece, which, as you say, came out after my post...

I'd be inclined to say you have a point, except that Jerome has already said in the first comment he doesn't think Obama deserves MyDD's support.

My specific issue was with the intense defense of Edwards and the bloggers. I honestly can't imagine MyDD's might to be used for Obama in this way.

Though it was about bloggers, it was about correcting the record in the media and fighting back against the Freak Show Noise Machine.

So, when I see a mobilization of that magnitude for Obama, I'll be very willing to admit I'm way off the mark.

What's the Point?

by Vermonter on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 06:07:31 PM EST
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Maybe he feels this way because... (none / 0)

It seems like a large amount of diaries being posted here, and a large amount of diaries on the rec'd list, seem to be I Love Edwards because he is so frickin cool types of diaries.

Just sayin...

Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog

by kevin22262 on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 06:43:50 PM EST
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Re: Maybe he feels this way because... (3.00 / 2)

I agree there ARE a lot of I Love Edwards diaries...

But the reason for that is that a small group of about 10-15 Edwards supporters recommend EVERY positive article on Edwards... It's a bit annoying I agree, but they are also playing within the rules of the system and that gives the Pro-Edwards diaries a lot more exposure than the Pro Obama or Clark or Gore, etc. Obama supporters need to start recommending more diaries that promote Obama. Same for Clark supporters and anyone else. Then ours will be in the Recommended as well. But unless bumped to the front page, Chris, Jerome, Matt et al. don't really control that aspect.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!

by yitbos96bb on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 07:35:15 PM EST
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Re: Maybe he feels this way because... (none / 0)

Exactly

by okamichan13 on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 12:16:19 PM EST
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Speaking as a Clarkie... (none / 0)

This is part of the reason many of us feel it is not to late for Clark .. or even Gore .. to enter the race. Most of the "early candidates" are beating up on each other, getting beat up by the righties and the media and having to spend money to defend themselves and talk about how wonderful they are.

This early campaign may end up back firing on some or all of these candidates.

The one thing that may save them and fuck up our primaries, our democracy and all third parties is this STUPID Feb 5th bunch up of the primaries!

5 States per 10 Primaries - balanced by demographics and region. - How fucking hard can it be?!

Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog

by kevin22262 on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 06:50:23 PM EST

Re: Speaking as a Clarkie... (none / 0)

I want to see Clark enter... I like him and he is in my top 3 or 4... I really want to see what kind of a splash he can make... whether his low polling will bounce big time if he enters, or if he can build the campaign throughout the summer. I hope he does well (although not well enough to beat Obama)...

Gore will have buildable support based on his polling and would have a great shot.

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by yitbos96bb on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 07:37:45 PM EST
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Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (none / 0)

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Obama's dig at dKos.

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by clarkent on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 07:26:19 PM EST

Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (none / 0)

Which dig would this be?

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by yitbos96bb on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 07:38:20 PM EST
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Re: Why Isn't MyDD Standing Up for Obama? (none / 0)

This one. To his credit, Senator Obama later directly addressed Daily Kos in rather lengthy diary and clarified his statement. It caused quite a stir in the blogosphere at the time, however, and I was surprised that nobody brought it up in comments here.

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by clarkent on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 08:08:55 PM EST
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Vermonterosphere, Obamasphere? (none / 0)

In honor of a certain frequent poster, who hasn't been posting here lately. Vermonter reminds me of him wth this diary.

by Pravin on Thu Mar 29, 2007 at 10:09:01 PM EST

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